OOC Chatterbox

[LEROZERO]

Huh, I wouldn't know anything about the games considering I never played any of them!

[Warning]

Right, well, all I'm saying is how we want to see it in this setting. IF we do. We already have a form of digital space if we do that. Diving into someone's consciousness seems... possible. Just complicated. In most cyberpunk settings, such things don't really exist. I still think that diving into Emiko's mind would set for a pretty dark story.

As it is, I know I managed to extract a digital conscious to transfer it into a real body. Most people would call it AI but it goes a little beyond that. The future is very mysterious in its technological advance. As for diving into someone's subconscious or mind space, it would be good to know why and if it's worth being a possible thing.

[LEROZERO]

Yeah, other than an experience, WHY somebody would try and enter another's mind is a toss up...

[Warning]

And that's the thing. I mean, it's already sorta possible to do that without ar tonelico's tech. We have seen characters sometimes plug themselves to a cyborg or etc to extract a code. I'd start to see how jacking in works first, to see how characters visiting the digital space would go. (Or for anyone who has a net navi of sort) but otherwise, I dunno...

[LEROZERO]

Jacking in is essentially just that. You connect the two of your minds so both of you can work on something together and communicate further. 

Jacking in even allows for you to see THROUGH cameras as if you were really close to a screen.

Also, many jack in to give files as well, so a one way input of somebody's subconcious is technically possible.

[Warning]

Jacking in only works as long as there's a chip, data bank or system to connect to, though. The technology of ar tonelico goes much deeper than that. And it already sounds complicated in general and I do a lot of it so imagine if someone who only expect a light cyberpunk story get into a complex core of soulspace diving and all of its layers.

I think Emiko is the most complicated thing in the story so far just because of what she comes from. As it is, she's like the intro update to something bigger. I mean, just to show how strange Ar tonelico is in comparison, let's just look at the character itself as a design choice and it will tell everything with a single look. Because it's something.

[LEROZERO]

Hmm...

Yeah, just by looking at her shoes the design is odd...

[Warning]

The shoes aren't really the issue. Game is very vibrant and colorful but very technologically advanced. I know a lot of science fiction settings but for cyberpunk, I dunno XD. I have many dark characters that would fit a dark fantasy setting but cyberpunk being dark "realistic" battle angel alita like, is not something I do a lot. I like them androids, though.

[LEROZERO]

Hmm...

Yeah, Cyberpunk is another "sky is the limit" type thing where you can make the world so advanced that nothing is impossible, or you can make it so the world is just about a decade or 2 more advanced than where we are currently.

I am thinking the setting we are in is either between the two of those(leaning towards the former), or a bit after the former.

 

[Warning]

Still, need to be careful with what you do since doing too much can just lead to problematic plot hole stuff later. (And I know because I did a lot. I sometimes brush close to them too). Emiko is what I'd call brushing close. I need to make her origin and reason to be there make sense or I know I'll regret it later and feel like crap about it.

Especially if details like "A company exists and tries to make some things a reality", it changes the concept I first thought about. As it is, I could easily put warning in this story and she'd fit, with how she has dark color schemes. Her gremlin size and big mouth would be funny probably but her alert system, mostly useless in this context.

I do have Mecha Mao, which I might intend to use as an android or navi. I still have to think about this part. I dunno why I'm not good at trying to think of a cyberpunk character but I'm just worried about either not making a character special enough (Boo, normal humans in cyberpunk) or too special but I dunno if I can think of that.

[LEROZERO]

Yeah...I know the pain of finding a plot hole in your own idea lol

Sucks to hell and back...

[SataiRolePlayingGuy]

Yay, my idea got a lot of talk.  Could be rather fun to see where that goes as we work out the details.  One more piece that some characters may get involved with some may not.  But yeah, like some of the stuff in the original idea of the club, before I took over, no one will be forced to do anything.  Combination of probably trust, and needing the right hardware will help anyone who does not want to do anything with that piece of the setting.  Exact details can be discussed by people involved.  It is likely to a rather different experience for everyone character who dies do it.

I haven’t played any of the games since they were new, but this aspect of that setting has stuck in my head, and this seemed as ideal a setting as any to consider including it.

[LEROZERO]

Hmm...speaking of hardware, what exactly should it be? 

[Warning]

Dive hardware. Wielding the power of the Cosmosphere. (Which allows a connection to the soulspace servers, which are what allows the diving to begin with)

[LEROZERO]

What exactly type of hardware is that? An implant? A bed of some sort?

[Warning]

According to Ar Tonelico: "This is done through the usage of a special device called the Dive Machine, which allows scanning the Static H-Wave bands of the Reyvateil and her partner, called Diver under this context, to send the Diver into a world created by the feelings and memories of that particular Reyvateil." Example below, from the game.

[LEROZERO]

Ah, bigass chamber. Got it.

[Warning]

Two beds, mostly. The diver and the partner each have a bed cell (hence why it needs a certain trust) and yeah, it leads to one diving into the other.

[LEROZERO]

And I assume Emiko has one on standby?

[Warning]

Not quite. The bed are not named. As the dive shop implies, anyone can use it to dive into someone else. But you must really come there willingly. I mean, if someone was unconscious and forced to do it, they might still gain their consciousness in their own subspace. And they CAN decide to push back and expell someone out of sheer will.

As for Emiko, she is different. Take an AI or a game NPC with an ongoing development and consciousness (Star ocean 3 alert) and make that consciousness come to real life in a real cloned body. That's her. The how and why are not exactly clear yet since SO3 managed to cheat a kind of gate to reality from inside the digital space but uh... >.>

As far as my idea went with her was that someone transferred her back to reality for a reason. The story as it was sounded like a malicious plan but I'm also wondering. What if someone needed HER to be in the real world for a reason or another? A mysterious plan to set a digital girl in a world she doesn't belong. Buuut why? Dun dun dun.

Edited 2 hours ago by Warning

[LEROZERO]

Lol

So it is essentially a public place where people can dive? Kinda like a...massage parlor with tanning beds? Anybody can come by and use for a price, but in this case trust and two people are needed...

[Warning]

In the game, it cost DP (Dive points). Well, that more or less matters in this case but yes. It's a place where everyone can go in hope to reinforce the person being dove into by a journey in their memories, feelings and etc. Feelings can have a "physical" form in their subconscious. So things of the past can manifest and secrets be unlocked IF the person allows it.

The higher a person feels trust toward their diver, the stronger the feeling will manifest itself in their subconscious, unlocking different areas and layers. It's beyond being a program. It's controlled by the very feelings of the person and they're always "conscious" since it's their mindspace universe being visited. Even if they are unconscious in real life, for reasons

[LEROZERO]

Oohhhooo~ 

I am about to get cookin with Maray's past~ 

What to do for the her mindscape's design...hmm...

[Warning]

Basically, a mindscape is the fruit of a person's feelings and memories. If their past were by example filled with sea adventures, a layer of the mindscape may be based on the ocean. Sometimes with area that had strong meaningful memories to the dive person. (Such is why Emiko's coscosphere is NOT exactly a fun place to try venturing into)

The "beds" and shops have to be connected to the cosmosphere servers in order to work. When a dive happens, data from the mindscape is saved on the servers for later use. It's generally not for anyone's eyes but the diver and the one who "owns" the mindscape. Cyberpunk future stuff, let's not try TOO hard to understand how that works kay.

[LEROZERO]

Oh, I figured as much, but I meant that in a, "Dark troubled past or nah?", type of way lol.