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11 minutes ago, LEROZERO said:

Also, @Warningyour image/link for Emiko is messed up.

Fixed, I think. At least temporarily. Not sure how long Zerochan will allow the link but yeah.

[LEROZERO]

Hopefully it lasts long enough...

Forgot how she looks, cute~

[SataiRolePlayingGuy]

While I have not heard anything since my last update, will say, in case anyone was worried about it, the cause of the lack of privacy and Gard not logging in does not have anything to do with other users of this site.  But don’t want to say more than I should, so I’ll leave it at that until he is back.  Hopefully closer to the beginning of September than the end.

Do like the ideas above.  Of course talk of that brings up my possibly too obscure idea of bringing an Ar Tonelico like twist to it.  Where someone could essentially ‘connect’ to another person’s mind.  Explore little worlds created their subconscious.  Though it it the sort of thing that would probably require some sort of implant into the brain to be possible and may only be an option for some characters.

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Holy crap! Ar Tonelico and reyvateils. This is my universe. Here we freaking go. Reyvateils having a connecting to the digital space with their singing. I see that I may need to push my ideas a little further. Let's see how far my company with Emiko's shenanigans went with their experiences. Although, the source of the digital space stuff wouldn't necessarily be there. Still... With their "money", they might have the power to push some limits like the above. Cyberpunk doesn't seem too far from the "We love to play gods, no matter what happens." lol

[LEROZERO]

No idea what either of those are but I do like the idea of jacking in to somebody's mind! 

Screw it, I'll edit it later, but Maray has that implant now️

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Well, to understand how it works, you have to understand how reyvateils work or it would be all over the place. It's not just as simple as connecting into someone's mind. There are layers and the layers that are accessible change based on how much the person trusts you. In cyberpunk, someone could probably "hack" their way in but it might do pretty bad damage to the person's mind, which is a big no no. It needs a special kind of technology to allow this and I have a feeling I could easily set a company that makes it. (With characters inside)

[LEROZERO]

Oooh, a mindscape.

Yeah, sounds good. 

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"mindscape". Exactly! It is filled with memories of the person, from the more open one to the more secret ones deep in their mind. There's lot of imagined stuff as well but it all fits in with the personality of the person involved. The same company that did that system probably tried to pull Emiko out. If one was to go in her mind though, jeez... Chaos.

I think it would be an interesting story arc, though. Also, the person is not technically conscious at that moment but everything that happens in their mind still writes itself in their memory. So when their subconscious interact with your presence in their mindscape, they do remember it and all that. A strong bond = a stronger reyvateil power as well.

Edited 3 hours ago by Warning

[LEROZERO]

God I love that type of stuff! 

I love building personalities, fleshing out what makes a person truly a person. The uniqueness of each mindscape is something I adore. It could be a sprawling world or a singular room...

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You're also in there as long as they allow it. If they try to expel you from their subconscious, you generally get jacked out. So for it to work, there has to be a permission, a mutual trust etc. A stranger could not just do it and in cyberpunk's case, there probably is a protection against it anyway. Normally, not everyone has that kind of "mindscape" so I'm not sure exactly how it would work but considering that it's cyberpunk, it's probably something that gives a benefit at the cost of having to form a bond with someone. Friendship is magic.

[LEROZERO]

Oh god

But in case of a foreful jack-in, most usually get fried or infected with a bug.

The bug will either show where they are, steal money, or anything depending on the design.

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Well, I don't think you store money in your mindspace. XD But something forceful might definitely corrupt and damage the person's mind. And this is why the dark side of things, there are monsters named the "broken minds" where the mindscape thing failed. (I am just making things up now.) Seriously, though. I dunno how deep we want this to happen. It kinda reminds me of "remember me" where people in a cyberpunk style were selling their literal memories for money. Or memories were twisted, corrupted or wiped in certain cases.

But in this case, Ar tonelico named the thing the soulspace. Or the cosmosphere. It has very interesting cyberpunk ish element that could be used:

https://artonelico.fandom.com/wiki/Soulspace

I suggest that you take a look at this, especially the 2nd paragraph. Things seem to be managed by servers, which could be stored in the company thing. It does make sense in the grand scheme of things. So if I were to introduce Emiko to this, she could be the plot element that advance characters to find more about "DIVE" (if I was to call it that because cyberpunk loves simple but striking names). I'm going deep with this but the ideas are flowing. This could get pretty crazy but I think this is the thing that give me a start somewhere.

Edited 3 hours ago by Warning

[LEROZERO]

Hmm...

Could make it more on the nose? "Mind Dive" or something?

I think having monsters could be fun, but it shouldn't be made into a major plot point for the whole club, get me? I personally would love it to further flesh out everything but I know some just prefer smut with minimal story...

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Nah, Mind Dive is too weird. Although the term "dive" is when you dive into someone's consciousness. When I say monster, btw, I just mean people with broken minds. I kinda want to use an ar tonelico term for the company. Something like Dive, Soulspace, Cosmosphere, etc. Monsters don't have to be. Still, I think failed experiment exist.

Also, I'm a roleplayer at heart so I like smut but I'm more of a fantasy writer than anything else. I dunno what kind of smut with we can do with diving but it can open doors to subconscious fun. In the case of Emiko, chances are it will be a bit more story or dark based. Whether that's boring or not, well... I still think some story is important.

[inkylore]

that doesn't sound a bit invasive to you? like if it was just npc's sure. but i don't know how other players would feel about something like that being done to thier oc's

[LEROZERO]

4 minutes ago, Warning said:

Nah, Mind Dive is too weird. Although the term "dive" is when you dive into someone's consciousness. When I say monster, btw, I just mean people with broken minds. I kinda want to use an ar tonelico term for the company. Something like Dive, Soulspace, Cosmosphere, etc. Monsters don't have to be. Still, I think failed experiment exist.

Also, I'm a roleplayer at heart so I like smut but I'm more of a fantasy writer than anything else. I dunno what kind of smut with we can do with diving but it can open doors to subconscious fun. In the case of Emiko, chances are it will be a bit more story or dark based. Whether that's boring or not, well... I still think some story is important.

Ah, I getcha. In that case we could have maybe one or two of the "Broken".

2 minutes ago, inkylore said:

that doesn't sound a bit invasive to you? like if it was just npc's sure. but i don't know how other players would feel about something like that being done to thier oc's

Read a bit above. It requires trust.

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6 minutes ago, inkylore said:

that doesn't sound a bit invasive to you? like if it was just npc's sure. but i don't know how other players would feel about something like that being done to thier oc's

You misunderstand. Diving is based on mutual trust. No one can just arrive and JACK into your mind. The mindscape is a place that can be visited in the subconscious of someone so you share more about you to them. As you understand each others more and build more trust, you form a strong bond and dive deeper into their mindscape if they allow it.

The reason I mentioned real life benefits is that no one would do it without reasons. If it makes someone somehow stronger from it, then they get a kind of benefit to form a stronger deep bond with one other person. Nobody will suddenly get their mind invaded by someone else randomly. So does it sound invasive? Not really. You can expel them out.

3 minutes ago, LEROZERO said:

Ah, I getcha. In that case we could have maybe one or two of the "Broken".

In cyberpunk fashion, they probably make sure the public eyes don't see the Broken Minds easy. Just saying they could exist, in a lab or something. But yes. I think the idea holds well so far. It might need a bit of work to get it done properly but it could fit. Emiko is only there as "She was made real from the digital space and she is searching for her sister." 

Edited 3 hours ago by Warning

[LEROZERO]

Ah, what does it take for somebody to become fully broken? 

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I mean, the broken minds is just something I made up. What I wonder in the cyberpunk fashion is if someone got experimented on, forced to open their mindscape but something went wrong and it broke them, shattering their soulscape to irreparable levels. I don't think that would happen normally with the official releases. Probably 1/100000.

I believe it's good to give the person who "allows" someone in, to be able to drive that person away if they get uncomfortable with what they can see, considering it's the subconscious. Also, if we say that it's to build a bond with someone, it's logical that it requires trust to go deeper and deeper. You wouldn't show a stranger your deep secrets.

[LEROZERO]

Ah, so would you say that it is essentially like "breaking trust"? The more somebody's trust is broken the worse they become?

If a close friend were to - for some reason or another - forcefully jack-in, would that break them worse than if a stranger were to?

[inkylore]

10 minutes ago, LEROZERO said:

Read a bit above. It requires trust.

though a little better my concerns are more ooc... cuz while it sounds like you can get in if they let you in it also sounds like you can stay in if they don't your in their in the first place. and of course one their in i would assume they don't actually know what your doing in their ...

i guess what im really saying is i feel its something that should be consented to ooc before going threw with it. if someone had this tech and had plans to use it maliciously and the only real pre-requsite was to gain thier trust in allowing them in i do feel that would be easy enough to clear in hiding any true motivations that might have had...in the first place 

i gotta read up i was typing that for like 3 missed replies

[LEROZERO]

Oh yeah, understandable, that'll definitely be talked about ooc. Just like how some characters need consent via ooc.

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12 minutes ago, LEROZERO said:

Ah, so would you say that it is essentially like "breaking trust"? The more somebody's trust is broken the worse they become?

If a close friend were to - for some reason or another - forcefully jack-in, would that break them worse than if a stranger were to?

Someone distrusted wouldn't be able to have access. Or it would be a violation. Tbh, I know how Ar tonelico works but applying it to cyberpunk is another story as I don't have much expertise there. Also, reminder since it seems to have been forgotten but a user cannot stay if unwanted. The person being dove into CAN expel a diver out of their mind.

When I was saying broken, I was mostly referring to potential bug from experiments. Or a rare bug from the system itself. It doesn't have to be a thing either. But yes, even with protections, we have to find a reason for diving into a soulscape being a thing. What benefits does it do? What is the political stance of being able to do such in a cyberpunk setting.

My only Emiko story element here is based on "Being able to deal with a digital scape megaman battle network style.". With ar tonelico being mentioned as idea, I don't mind trying it but it needs to be done properly, I guess. Reyvateils had the advantage of stronger song magic in its own game. Therefore, diving THERE did make sense, but here? Dunno.

Edited 2 hours ago by Warning

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9 minutes ago, Warning said:

What benefits does it do? What is the political stance of being able to do such in a cyberpunk setting.

Maybe it is originally for people who only live in the city to experience things they usually can't. Like watching the sunset on the beach.

Could even be for better BDs(Braindances). You do know about BDs, yeah? How some are movies, some are porn, and others are murder?

Like you said before, just to sell an experience!

Edited 2 hours ago by LEROZERO

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The thing is, and while the company keeps servers working, diving requires a diver and a reyvateil, so to speak. So it's not ONLY to sell an experience since it needs two people who share a certain bond. It allows one to find things in the subconscious layers. Even if we ignore the ar tonelico system, diving in someone's mind seems... odd. XD

Ar tonelico is honestly the first game that really gave a meaning and purpose WITH an entire description of it. It makes sense. I just dunno how it would work here. Like, what's the selling pitch? Dive into the subconscious of your loved one just for fun? Even cyberpunks settings usually give some sense to things. Not just for giggles, I guess.

In remember me, the weird system was a way to erase bad memories, choose what you want to remember. "sell" memories for money like it was a currency. In the depraved style of cyberpunks, it worked. I am not sure how to apply the same principles of "what do we get from it" with diving into someone's mind since it dives into a soul...?

I wouldn't call it invasive but it can lead there easily if done the wrong way. The selling pitch of that idea has to be done well to think "this would work great, let's do it."

Edited 2 hours ago by Warning